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The Caravan to Enlightenment 2


 Why Did The Camel Cross The Desert?
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Good thing I got back on this camel. Its the first hump I've had in nearly two months. Yeah, it was a cheap joke (though, sadly, based in reality). I expect better from myself, but you know, I really have no basis for doing so. Anyway...

As I sit here on top of Old Smokey (that's what I named my camel being as that he has a mountain on his back and he is covered with cheese (long story having to do with nachos and Jack Daniels (who knew camels couldn't hold their liquor (these parenthesis are starting to get ridiculous (its like tunneling down to the core of the sentence (I wonder if I will encounter the mole people soon (Anyway...))))))), I realize that a blog like this, where I confront beliefs that people have, for some reason, designated as special in that questioning them is taken to be an attack, could be interpreted as mean spirited. So, I thought I should take this opportunity to give a few reasons for my confronting these beliefs instead of respecting them, as we are often told we should do. There will be nothing funny in this post past this point... not that there was anything funny in this post before this point... but there was intended funny... which there won't be anymore... past here... starting now... Okay... go.

There are a few reasons I speak out against belief in a supreme being. While some may see me confronting their beliefs as mean or bigoted or disrespectful, I contend that though everyone has a right to believe what ever it is they wish or think to be true, and no one should be forced to believe any certain way, beliefs, religious included, are not beyond question and deserve no special pass from being taken into the public forum and examined for validity, and for the benefit that they may or may not offer to a society. For too long people have left religion unchecked and unquestioned for fear of offending and this unspoken policy has led to what I consider undesirable circumstances. That being said, I would like to take the time to outline my reasons for confronting theistic beliefs, and why I consider having such a discussion to not only not be disrespectful, but to be a vital step towards building a better society.

The first and most obvious reason I consider it important to confront religious, or theistic, belief is because it is an inherently dangerous ideology. If one can be convinced that a god, who holds their eternal fate in its ethereal hands, desires them to do something then no matter what that thing is or how it may be counter to their natural inclinations, it not only becomes very easy to rationalize doing it, but it becomes ridiculously self destructive not to. If there was a god who could torture you eternally, and someone convinced you that it wanted you to kill every blond haired baby, then for you not to attempt to do so would be utter stupidity. Flying planes into buildings, shooting doctors who run clinics, condemning condom use and assisting an epidemic in all but eradicating a continent of people, shunning, condemning, and at times physically and mentally torturing those whose lifestyle differs from your own; these things, while horrific acts through secular eyes, are only steps towards a glorious destiny, and reward worthy to the tune of eternal bliss in the eyes of one who has come to hold certain religious dogmas as truth. This reason alone is enough that everyone who has a concern for the well being of one's self and one's fellow man should speak out against such ideologies. But, I will continue with more.

Second, such beliefs, which aren't supported by evidence and therefor hold no reliability as truths, are fundamentally flawed foundations on which to build societies. When moral and legal systems are built upon false realities we have no reason to expect them to conform to what is actually best for society. By continuing in the centuries old cycle of allowing religious doctrine to be a factor in our moral and legal systems we have no reason to expect to ever be able to achieve a better society and free ourselves from the tribalistic tendencies that are the basis of most human conflict. Only through striving for a true depiction of reality, and accepting ourselves (human beings) for what we are and reality for what it is, can we, as a social species, expect to be able to arrive at a clear and socially applicable understanding of right and wrong and how best to deal with the problems that arise from a social lifestyle.

Thirdly, theistic belief is completely unnecessary. Belief in a supreme being adds nothing to a society. Anything positive that can be achieved through a god belief can be achieved through a secular understanding of the needs of a society. For people to hold to a dangerous and inherently flawed ontology which is not only unsupported but completely without unique benefit should be considered, by all people with a social conscience, to be completely unacceptable.

And last but not least, belief in a god is simply unfounded and therefor, regardless of whether it were beneficial or not, regardless of what makes one feel warm and fuzzy, regardless of whether or not one wants there to be a god, it is a ridiculous belief, and for that reason, not one that should be held. No one would suggest we should encourage people to believe in invisible giants or talking cows or space rabbits simply because it makes them feel good to do so. There is no good reason to believe in such things and that in and of itself is good reason to discourage belief in them. A belief in a god is no better supported and no different.

So, that is the reason for this caravan. Hey, nobody said this trip was going to be fun. I will try to make it at least mildly entertaining from time to time though. For now, who wants a slightly furry nacho?
Posted by The Vessel at 11:38 AM - 7 Comments   Add a Comment  
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Style points for the parentheses and the repeated use of "regardless"!

Rock 'em sock 'em post, V - - here's hoping you get some readership from among the faithful to stimulate discussion in the comments. Personally, I'm looking for the "Head-Nodding Sycophant" icon to indicate my complete agreement with everything up to the point of furry nachos. Can't support that.
 
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by The Valkyrie (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 1:57 PM




Furry nachos, wow, when you just use the term out of context like that it kind of has a double entendre feel doesn't it. "Hey, Candy, how about you and I go back to my place for some furry nachos."

As for more serious matters, I hope to get a fruitful conversation going as well.

By the way, thanks for the style points. I'm saving them up to get the monogrammed jacket.
 
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by The Vessel (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 3:03 PM




Hoping for a fruitful conversation with the Christian right might be fruitless - - they're not much on the fruits, capische? But as I always say, any conversation with the Vessel is fruitful.

Thanks loads for making nachos seem sordid and euphemistic - - I don't think I'll be able to eat them again with a straight face. Isn't it bad enough that we've lost clams and weiners and buns to the sexual entendre???? Must you also take nachos?

Always glad to advance the theological discussion.......
 
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by The Valkyrie (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 3:14 PM





Val:

Maybe if I started calling the Christian right the Christian wrong it would be helpful in clarifying for them how I view their position. I think they might be misunderstanding the terminology. It could be somewhat confusing, people always telling you you're right, when you so obviously aren't. Its kind of oxymoronic, you know? Of course, oxymoronic is the best kind of moronic to be. Like I always say (in the never sense of the word always), if you're gonna be a moron, it is probably best to have unmatched whitening and stain removing power.
 
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by The Vessel (PM , CC ) on Thursday March 29, 2007 @ 5:44 PM




Ya know Vessel, I was really starting to think that I might just let people have their fantasies, at least the ones that don't wear them on their sleeves, but now I am starting to think maybe we can actually educate them. You say a lot in these first two posts that I have been unable to express as well, plus you threw something at me that I don't think I ever would have come up with (the idea of a purposeless God).

Thanks, (I think)
 
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by notacynic (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 1, 2007 @ 5:23 AM




notacynic:

You know, for many years I thought that, even though the whole god belief was incredibly absurd, it was something that should be left alone. I figured if people wanted to delude themsleves, why should it bother me? After 9/11, when I started really thinking about how religion works, I just couldn't in good conscience continue with that attitude. It is just so ridiculously dangerous. The lessons that it teaches, to suspend critical thought, to pass on responsibility, to consider ourselves failures, to follow blindly, are practices that in any other situation people will readily admit are incredibly detrimental. I have realized that we, the global society, can no longer allow these practices to go unchallenged simply because they are practiced under the banner of religion. I think it is our duty to educate people and to assist in helping them to move past the need for such dated and detrimental ideologies. If we don't work to build better societies, how do we expect them to come about?
 
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by The Vessel (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 1, 2007 @ 11:10 AM




"If we don't work to build better societies, how do we expect them to come about?"

An answer: I think a lot of people blame the failures of our society on our "Godlessness". If only (they would say) we could all practice good Christian living we would have a much better society. Heaven on Earth even.

Some flaws: 1) Most "Christians" don't practice the basic "do unto others..." philosophy.

2) The first tenet of Christianity, as preached by Jesus, is to "Love God with all your heart and all your soul...". When someone will not accept the god myth he is likely to stop listening at that point. And is it really possible to love an abstract being?

3) The next part of that first tenet is to "...love your neighbor as you love yourself". Can anyone honestly claim to do that?

So essentially, to practice "good Christian living" is an impossibility. But it does make some people feel like it's not their fault. "I'm being a good Christian, it's these other faithless heathens that are the problem."

I agree with what you said in the post, we first have to shake off these ridiculous notions that we need to follow some god's law, or rather, some person's interpretation of what God wants us to do. We'll still have plenty to overcome in the unlikely event that we reach that point but we'll have a pretty good start.

 
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by notacynic (PM , CC ) on Sunday April 1, 2007 @ 11:22 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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